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Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Mon, 17 Dec 2018 02:25:51 GMT reply
James tanner is a moron, he always writes Gardiner praise pieces, he a got a hard on for him it's obvious, their is one man who's opinion I value about hockey his name is don cherry, he has made it obvious how he feels about Gardiner several times, any who thinks Dubas will spend 8 million a year on Gardiner is as crazy as James tanner is blind
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:39:12 GMT reply
don't let the troll bother you. he's some sort of psychopath/sociopath. just don't worry about him. he'll have a heart attack soon and then who knows...explaining things to him is just doing exactly what he wants. it's his way of baiting normal men. james tanner? who really cares about him...just another blind dolt.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:38:48 GMT reply
He's 28 and he STILL hasn't learned how to play defence. I've given you ALL facts from an eye test. If you actually haven't played the game, then you clearly don't know hockey. Jane is a liability. He's barely got any offensive upside. He's a HUGE defensive liability. He doesn't play physical. He is horrible at making plays in the ozone when he has the time with no defensive coverage. Your stats are flawed and they are not proof or fact that Jane is good or even elite. Again, when you're put in situations to succeed, those numbers are an exaggeration of how really f*cking terrible she is. Clearly you're a bigger pansy than Jane if you can see these facts. Oh yeah - again, if it is you James Tanner...go f*ck yourself and pray you never face me on the ice. I'll show you how real hockey guys settle their difference and I'll even let you take the first shot. P*ssy.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:38:43 GMT reply
He has one good season where Babcock clearly put him in any situation to succeed. This year, he has used him less on the power play. Opposing teams target him with dump-ins or beat him on the outside wing or simply cutting in front of him. When he makes a shitty long pass and ices the puck, the opposing team always put their top line out and then barrage the net and are physical on him - hammering him on the boards to cause a turnover/giveaway. Delusional morons like you use one game or one season where he produces and sing praises of him but the regular season points production is meaningless when it comes to the playoffs. In two Game 7's against the Bruins; they clearly proved how terrible he is. He's a defenceman for f*ck's sake and he can't even do that. I watched every single goal scored on his shift and he looked absolutely terrified and hopeless. He shied away from checks, he made horrible turnovers that literally caused several goals to be scored because of his mistake. He is not accountable.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:38:25 GMT reply
This f*cking cunt must masturbate furiously whenever he sees our comments. Listen troll; all of what was said about Jane playing sheltered ARE facts. Gardiner plays in all of these (sheltered situations):
*PP vs PK. He simply cannot be trusted defensively.
*put on a line with Matthews because of his ability to break out of the dzone
*doesn't play against the top opposing lines
*never on the ice when the Leafs have 1 one goal lead with 2-3 minutes left in the 3rd period
*Is put on the ice when they get an icing call in their favour
The fact that you don't know this proves you're a f*cking moron and cannot be taken seriously when it comes to hockey knowledge. Honestly; I think you're actually that f*cking cunt James Tanner the way you bait people in this forum and your shitty Editor In Leaf website. If it IS you, you're the worst hockey writer known to mankind. Jane is borderline horrible.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:55:26 GMT reply
“ … dissecting what everyone else writes on a free-speech forum is absurd and borderline psychopathic.” Are you saying you have a right to ‘free speech’ on this forum but I do not – and that your free speech is not subject to scrutiny? Now who is talking like a tin-pot dictator.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:07:55 GMT reply
So does that mean that you are not going to go to the web page https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ to ascertain the validity of the ‘expected +/-‘ stat as I suggested.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 21:42:18 GMT reply
to the troll formerly known as comrade zamboni, please re read your manifesto. in case you cannot read, please have your sister read it, when she is not doing her puck bunny routine. this is the jake/jane gardiner sucks forum. quoting everyone to death is just childish, silly,immature, taunting, etc., and reiterates what has already been said- that you simply regurgitate instead of having any original thought. you have become a repeating, offensive, monster. dissecting what everyone else writes on a free-speech forum is absurd and borderline psychopathic. for what purpose? if you have that much of a connection to jane, simply use your remaining energy and finances to do something good and worthwhile that she will appreciate. get to know her and maybe arrange a date or something. let her know you have a quasi man/woman-crush, or whatever it would be called, and perhaps just come out of the closet. and by the way, was karl marx gay? engels? what about your alter-ego, the zamboni driving, basement dwelling, super-doofus dumb-ass?
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:53:04 GMT reply
“Matthews was being sarcastic when he said that about jane being in the skills comp. he obviously does not like the guy and thinks little of his abilities.” Total bullshit – it may what you want to be true but it is total bullshit based on nothing.
“ … in fact, the way i see it, the entire team dislikes jane because he is rewarded for NOT playing the PK, when everyone else has to.” Come on! Have you ever played on a hockey team? Everyone wants more ice-time – a player may develop a grudge against a teammate who gets ice time that is not deserved but it is never the other way around.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:29:23 GMT reply
“… all his statements are based on suppositions that the rest of us don't believe or just ignore because we have the intellect to do so. we are not challenging the stats. we are saying they are based on BS and manipulation of gray zones and are FLAWED.”
Finally, a substantive response to my stats arguments – thank-you.
If you are really interested in determining whether my stats are BS here is what you can do. Go this web page https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ pick a team and search for the Skater Advance Statistics table then find and order the ‘expected +/-‘ column. Have a look at the top 5. Then ask your self whether the top 5 pass the smell test. Do this for all 31 teams. If you do this, at a minimum, you would have a basis for your view of the utility of ‘expected +/-‘.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:53:59 GMT reply
“Jane plays sheltered minutes - a fact.” No, not a fact an opinion which run contrary to the facts as Jake has more defensive zone starts than offensive zone starts and leads the team in 5-on-5 minutes – two facts.
“Opposing teams target Jane with either a dump in or blow by him - fact.” No, not a fact an observation/opinion tainted with a good deal of observer bias.
“She turns over a lot of pucks and has a lot of icings because of her shifty long passes - fact.” No, again not a fact but an observation (again biased) and an opinion. Of the top 4 D Jake turns the puck over the least – a fact. Furthermore, Jake is the best ‘long passer’ on the Leafs - that I acknowledge is not a fact, rather an observation that may some observer bias.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:46:42 GMT reply
matthews was being sarcastic when he said that about jane being in the skills comp. he obviously does not like the guy and thinks little of his abilities. in fact,the way i see it, the entire team dislikes jane because he is rewarded for NOT playing the PK, when everyone else has to. Kadri is also another one that is probably not appreciated by his team mates, because he causes them grief and there's no upside.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:40:32 GMT reply
shoulder checked? jane shies away from ANY contact.
and as far as the "further dumb this down" comment: I really don't know what to say. the senile zamboni driver just doesn't get it and is screaming out for us to read his explanation and believe! all his statements are based on suppositions that the rest of us don't believe or just ignore because we have the intellect to do so. we are not challenging the stats. we are saying they are based on BS and manipulation of gray zones and are FLAWED. he is like the guy crying to everyone that Charles Manson did not kill anyone and is innocent. ditto for hitler, stalin, musollini, pol pot,etc. this doofus continuously goes on about his hero, and how elite he is, and uses his flawed stats systems, to prove that what he is saying is correct and that we should all believe and trust him, as if he were some sort of "enlightened one" among us, and we mere mortals. well isn't that exactly what all those mentioned previously (hitler, stalin, pol pot, etc) did? they convinced everyone that they were enlightened, and led them into disaster, shame and mass murder, etc., trying to prove that they knew everything. those "leaders" went to their graves convinced that they had all the answers and certain loyalist stood by them. this doofus zamboni driver has got more than a touch of a "messiah" complex, and is obviously very frustrated with his life in that he has probably never led so much as even a few men, and even then, the results were disastrous. free thought and choice has always proved itself over following blindly. moneyball has become a modern marxist manifesto of sports teams and their organizations: if you don't buy in, you're a loser and discarded. zamboni is so desperate for us to buy in, and for him to recruit new believers. analytics is just junk science: modern-day marxist bunk!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:44:40 GMT reply
Why would any team show their UFA cards? Showing their interest in Jake Gardiner at this time would be considered tampering.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:26:16 GMT reply
“No team has even hinted that they want Gardiner. Why is that?”
How do you know that? Are you so intimately connected to all the NHL teams that you even know what they have hinted.
Gimme a break!
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:58:39 GMT reply
“Would like to see Gardiner in the all star competition. Am already ROFL thinking about it.” Interesting you should say that. Matthews, after last year’s all-star festivities, was asked what Leaf he would like to see and would do well in the skills competition? His answer was Jake Gardiner.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:30:20 GMT reply
Would like to see Gardiner in the all star competition. Am already ROFL thinking about it.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:28:56 GMT reply
No team has even hinted that they want Gardiner. Why is that? Because they all know what Toronto won't admit. Gardiner is not NHL calibre.
Regarding Babcock. A good coach can take no name players and turn them into a winning team. Babcock was handed a boatload of talent and is now turning them into a gong show. Mathews is already feeling the weight of covering for Gardiner and will likely get injured again. What a waste.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:22:11 GMT reply
In the movie "Monryball" there's ascend where all these old hacks sit around discussing players and they keep saying the same old lines over and over. Reminds me of the panelists and announcers talking about the leafs and Gardiner. So stupid and unproductive. The leafs were totally disorganized and Jake leads the sh*t parade.
Again, so far the upside to signing nylanded is not having money for Gardiner. They can trade nylander anytime but Gardiner will take a lot of work to dump. Maybe they can send Burke out to promote the idiot to other teams and maybe there's some drunk GM who falls for the sales pitch.
I swore I would walk away from the leafs if they kept phaneuf but this time if they keep Gardiner I am done. Winnipeg is an easy choice. They are managed and coached much better.
Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:14:21 GMT reply
I guess I have to further dumb this down.
Ok here goes. If one counted all the scoring chances ‘for’ while a player was on the ice in 5-on-5 situations and also counted all the scoring chances ‘against’. Then subtracted the scoring chances ‘against’ from the scoring chances ‘for’ one would arrive at a number (one could say a figure-of-merit number).
And guess who among the Leafs would have the highest figure-of-merit number. No, not Jake as the entire line of Hyman/Taveras/Marner hold the top three slots then Jake.
What does this all mean? I guess it means in 5-on-5 situations if like scoring chances ‘for’ and dislike scoring chances ‘against’ you play the first line or Gardiner. Which surprise surprise is just what Babcock does, as Jake leads the team in 5-on-5 ice time and the first line leads the forwards.
I hope the above analysis did not unduly tax your apparently tiny tiny brains.
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 07:50:41 GMT reply
I totally agree with the comment below. Gardiner does not have much hockey sense but it also goes deeper than that. It seems they can’t get there d line to the “all star” capacity they are trying to build the team. Blame that little twat nylander. Now that is a waste of money!
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 07:49:17 GMT reply
Toronto maple leafs your fcking dumb asses.
FANS DONT GET YOUR HOPES UP I GAVE UP YEARS AGO EPIDAMY OF AN OVERPRICED SHITTY HOCKEY TEAM WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
YOUD HAVE TO BE A BUTT FCKING MORON TO BUY A 200 $ ticket to one of these pathetic games. Paying taxes is enough. Go see a game and pay for the overpriced wages these faggots make yearly
Anonymous (Sophomore) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 07:46:53 GMT reply
Looking like the same old SOB STORY FOR THE LEAFS. first second place countless times and the weak d line YEAR AFTER FCKING YEAR. Gardiner is absolutely terrible. They all are fcking terrible. Reily is the only exception of a solid d man. He knows what the Fck he’s doing sadly 1 d mans play can’t carry the team.
Anonymous (Rookie) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 04:47:13 GMT reply

Who's more brain dead than Jake Gardiner? That's easy, Maple Leaf GM Dave Nonis. He's the genius that signed this useless twit for  $4,050,00 a year for five years. Brilliant. Really makes me wonder how he keeps his job. The Leafs might as well have a chimpanzee as GM.

Anonymous (Veteran) wrote on Sun, 16 Dec 2018 04:21:49 GMT reply
Jake-off, the special teams ass tickler ... indeed and thanks for the laugh.
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